tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post5937992718928901479..comments2023-10-30T02:50:38.825-06:00Comments on ThriveLiving: A Parent’s Response to the New York Times Article: Eliminate Vaccine ExemptionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-87482310529604189982015-02-06T21:34:06.512-07:002015-02-06T21:34:06.512-07:00Yeah, and it distorts and misquotes them.Yeah, and it distorts and misquotes them.Andrew Lazarusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-23378106248473857302015-02-06T19:42:20.981-07:002015-02-06T19:42:20.981-07:00GreenMed? Seriously? Let me guess: You get medical...GreenMed? Seriously? Let me guess: You get medical advice from Andy Wakefield, Bob Sears, and David Geir; you get your "cleanses" from Mercola & Adams; and you do you shopping according to Vani Hari & Vadana Shiva.R.w. Fosterhttp://beginingsinwriting.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-19181022216032139952015-02-06T19:08:04.298-07:002015-02-06T19:08:04.298-07:00Believe what you wish. I am finished here.Believe what you wish. I am finished here.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-55993879235621912262015-02-06T17:56:37.513-07:002015-02-06T17:56:37.513-07:00The web has tens of thousands of peer reviewed res...The web has tens of thousands of peer reviewed research attesting to the benefits and efficacy of vaccines. A few dozen articles selected with the deliberation of confirmation bias hardly counters that.<br />Your agenda here is blatantly antivaccine, don't try and pretend otherwiseMike Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-40546676633805996932015-02-06T15:49:58.302-07:002015-02-06T15:49:58.302-07:00Pharma reps are banned from the hospital and medic...Pharma reps are banned from the hospital and medical system in our city. So, no drug pushing. :)Kathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-89056767312582179382015-02-06T10:15:16.232-07:002015-02-06T10:15:16.232-07:00Again. GreenMed Info has an enormous data base lin...Again. GreenMed Info has an enormous data base linking to peer reviewed research, including the following: <br /><br />Epidemiologic Reviews: Oxford Journals<br /><br />JAMA The Journal of the American Medical Association<br /><br />American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecolgy<br /><br />Please investigate more thoroughly in the future before wasting my time with wild claims and opinions. Thank you.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-77950961897754181712015-02-06T10:10:56.547-07:002015-02-06T10:10:56.547-07:00Believe what you choose. Whatever I have to say wi...Believe what you choose. Whatever I have to say will not change your mind. Be well.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-41949576650075505652015-02-06T01:20:27.133-07:002015-02-06T01:20:27.133-07:00greenmedinfo isn't a source of anything other ...greenmedinfo isn't a source of anything other than alex jones nut jobbery, the other link goes to information that supports vaccinations, so not sure if you are having trouble with reading comprehension or whatMarkStolzoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-22078847747373007172015-02-06T01:15:26.408-07:002015-02-06T01:15:26.408-07:00that link has 0 peer reviewed articles, try againthat link has 0 peer reviewed articles, try againMarkStolzoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-52492433052116824662015-02-06T01:14:02.702-07:002015-02-06T01:14:02.702-07:00newsflash: Doctors make a lot more money when peop...newsflash: Doctors make a lot more money when people end up in the hospital with a disease then they do with vaccinations, the math isn't that complicatedMarkStolzoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-80187563325971870662015-02-05T06:27:22.013-07:002015-02-05T06:27:22.013-07:00Sure, you're currently my favorite Rachel beca...Sure, you're currently my favorite Rachel because of the sheer number of aggressive comments over the last few days and use of profanity. If an anti-vaxer were displaying the same, I would send the same request. I also posted the warning at the end of the article yesterday to avoid issues from either side in the future.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-65494600003237419142015-02-05T05:53:46.012-07:002015-02-05T05:53:46.012-07:00I think we will just need to agree to disagree. Be...I think we will just need to agree to disagree. Be well.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-70236404455951042482015-02-05T01:27:25.115-07:002015-02-05T01:27:25.115-07:00And there it is..The Wakefield comment!
Well...tha...And there it is..The Wakefield comment!<br />Well...that explains your rants.<br />Posting no credible sources, all Pharma funded posts and to boot, you have a biology degree and are completely ignorant and clueless.<br />That explains everything now. <br />Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-88599997706951567552015-02-05T01:27:16.950-07:002015-02-05T01:27:16.950-07:00Just like Pharma can say vaccines dont cause Autis...Just like Pharma can say vaccines dont cause Autism, cancer, SIDS,chronic illnessese.<br />It all coincidental! Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-85009607389880552392015-02-05T01:27:12.117-07:002015-02-05T01:27:12.117-07:00Oh ..you mean take it to your drug pusher Pharma s...Oh ..you mean take it to your drug pusher Pharma supporter GP for advice.<br />No thats funny.Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-87391645786878196122015-02-05T01:22:05.918-07:002015-02-05T01:22:05.918-07:00The third world stats comment.
Yeah they need vacc...The third world stats comment.<br />Yeah they need vaccines not better living conditions or clean water or safe food .Vaccinations are forced in Africa .How many are dying there now from vaccines. <br />The voice of reason..no you're an ignorant danger to society.<br />Sick and tired of poepl like you spewing BS science facts that have been skewed for profit for years.<br />Again..if the science is so sound and vaccines have such a minimal adverse reaction..then why the need for protection from lawsuits?Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-48611863017373102832015-02-05T01:05:06.853-07:002015-02-05T01:05:06.853-07:00Yeah but to bad you dont have any creble ones.
All...Yeah but to bad you dont have any creble ones.<br />All yours are junk for profit science, who are you kidding.Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-78761178368169659362015-02-05T00:58:21.602-07:002015-02-05T00:58:21.602-07:00Really!!
What supported BS do you have?!!
Ooops N...Really!!<br />What supported BS do you have?!!<br />Ooops NOTHING!<br />Oh right..you have science that is protected from lawsuits? Thats how credible it is!Toomuch Corruptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-59150037109903452242015-02-04T14:27:40.874-07:002015-02-04T14:27:40.874-07:00There is peer reviewed and there is peer reviewed....There is peer reviewed and there is peer reviewed. Not all journals are created equally. For example, the Institute for Creationist Research. They would say that the results they get are scientific and peer reviewed. However, it's pretty clear that they're not. They have an agenda and it's extremely biased. <br /><br />http://www.icr.org/<br /><br />It is the same with the articles you mention. They are not credible. Did you even look at the sample sizes they used? Also, with secondary sources like the ones you posted they often take one line out of a perfectly decent paper and blow it out of proportion. The media does this all the time. Try actually reading the papers behind the articles you read. And also try examining their methodologies. <br /><br />You should know: Just because you read something online doesn't make it true. <br /><br />And you're wrong about finding 'proof'. Science doesn't say it proves anything, for one, so that shows some ignorance on your part. What it does do is indicate relationships between different variables. Furthermore, those relationships are numerical and not a judgement call. So no, you cannot say that the evidence could go either way. What you do have is people who read these papers and, as you have, willfully or not, misunderstand. They then go on to further misrepresent those articles. <br /><br /><br />Enter this blog.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-38370586131528848112015-02-04T13:47:55.696-07:002015-02-04T13:47:55.696-07:00Possibly true. But I think you should say that to ...Possibly true. But I think you should say that to the people who agree with you as well as the people who disagree with you. <br /><br /><br />Because at this point you're just exercising favoritism.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-65588557759299191462015-02-04T09:27:32.141-07:002015-02-04T09:27:32.141-07:00You also retain the right to keep your infectious ...You also retain the right to keep your infectious child out of the public schools, off of public transportation, and any other place where the little booger-hoarder might infect my kids.Putnamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-19175197304726369472015-02-04T08:27:01.008-07:002015-02-04T08:27:01.008-07:00You're welcome to your opinion, but I don'...You're welcome to your opinion, but I don't think you looked at the site thoroughly. In case you missed it, here's the link to mainstream media resources that you might find more credible: http://avn.org.au/website-links/mainstream-medical-links/<br /><br />And another site with links to peer-reviewed studies demonstrating the damaging effects of vaccines: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/vaccine-research<br /><br />To be honest, I've found through experience that whatever side of the argument you find yourself to be, you can always find proof to support your belief. We all need to make our own decisions and choices, which I respect. And I will always consider both sides. However, I will not be drawn into further debate on this issue because of time constraints.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-45959353158313638622015-02-04T07:24:04.268-07:002015-02-04T07:24:04.268-07:00Please tone down your responses here. I know that ...Please tone down your responses here. I know that vaccination is an extremely polarized (and emotionally charged) topic for many, but we need to reign this in a bit. Bullying and name calling aren't the foundation for a logical and balanced discussion. Thank you.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-70503761215346017892015-02-04T07:23:43.778-07:002015-02-04T07:23:43.778-07:00http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/vaccine-research
...http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/vaccine-research<br /><br /><br /><br />Please note that each link includes multiple peer reviewed research on the dangers of vaccination. <br /><br /><br />Also, please tone down your responses here. I know that vaccination is an extremely polarized (and emotionally charged) topic for many, but we need to reign this in a bit. Bullying and name calling aren't the foundation for a logical and balanced discussion. Thank you.ThriveLivingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650468754883908280.post-55029627618607821982015-02-03T19:42:00.788-07:002015-02-03T19:42:00.788-07:00Sorry, that isn't a good source. It's full...Sorry, that isn't a good source. It's full of opinions. Come back to me when you have actual research showing that vaccines have any negative effects. <br /><br />This is like a 'health fad'. Here's the thing. And it started out as something good and quickly became disgusting. <br /><br />Over the past few years health and green living have become more and more popular. And this is amazing, because these are serious issues. But as these issues became more and more important to us other people have appeared to take advantage of the situation. In this case, it was a doctor by the name of Andrew Wakefield who started the vaccine panic. He faked his results. <br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/<br /><br /><br /><br />But in spite of the fact that his study was redacted and his medical license taken away a panic was created -- and of course people of a certain type latched onto that. People with no credentials and no background in biology or medicine started to publish things -- and believe me, a background is necessary to understand some of the things scientists come out with. It's a problem we have, where were're continually trying to figure out how to actually communicate with the public. When you live in a world where there is a different word for everything and you have to understand what things like LAC-1 and transpiration mean (among a million other terms) it quickly becomes impossible for anyone without the vocabulary to understand what you're saying. <br /><br /><br />And it was pretty clear that most of the people writing had no idea what they were talking about. The things they said were vague and not even cited. But unfortunately they tied them in with the health and green living movements. Which led to antivax. It's basically a fad, but unlike most it's a dangerous one. <br /><br /><br />Like, I don't care if someone wants to go gluten free. It may be a fad too and utterly unsupported (for anyone who does not actually have a gluten problem -- I mean, really. Just ask yourself why we've been fine eating bread for thousands of years and suddenly it's killing us. You barely need to read research studies for that one.) But vaccines are different. <br /><br /><br />A vaccine does not eliminate the disease. Basically a vaccine introduces a weakened or dead form of a virus into your system. And then your body does it's natural thing ALL ON ITS OWN where it learns to recognize that virus. Then you're less likely to get sick with it because your immune system knows what it is. <br /><br /><br />This is why anti-vax is a problem: Viruses can evolve. When you let yourself a virus you give it that chance. Congratulations. You've just made it more likely that the vaccine everyone else has gotten won't work because our bodies learned to recognize something else. You're not just risking yourself or your kids. You're risking everyone. <br /><br /><br />But don't take my word for it. Search for articles yourself on google scholar -- no, NOT just a regular google search. NOT blogs. Those are NOT good sources. Actually, don't read books either. The authors of those too often try to integrate their opinion into the text. This is why peer reviewed articles are important. The authors try not to show their opinions. They are examined by many other people in the field before being published. READ THEM.<br /><br /><br />About my background: I'm a biologist, but although I am trained in human biology I'm actually an ecologist who spends most of her time in conversation. I have no connection to the medical field. I'm unbiased, but I can read the data people come out with on vaccines and cell biology. Anti-vax is bullshit.Rachelnoreply@blogger.com